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		<title>A New Year of hope or disappointment?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As we approach the Jewish New Year, a time of reflection and renewal, once again we look forward to peace between Israel and the Palestinians. So, in the spirit of the New Year, let us hope beyond hope that the first faltering steps to a real peace can be made. But what sort of peace [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/jewish2.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-1539" title="jewish2" src="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/jewish2-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>As we approach the Jewish New Year, a time of reflection and renewal, once again we look forward to peace between Israel and the Palestinians.</p>
<p>So, in the spirit of the New Year, let us hope beyond hope that the first faltering steps to a real peace can be made.</p>
<p>But what sort of peace can there be whilst Hamas, Hizbullah, Iran and &#8216;anti-Israelis&#8217; all over the world seek her destruction.</p>
<p>Israel has shown its desire for peace over and over again. They gave back the Sinai to make peace with Egypt. They made peace with Jordan. They withdrew all settlements from Gaza.</p>
<p>What have they received in return? Intifada and rockets and bombs and threats, delegitimisation and boycotts.</p>
<p>As  José María Aznar said to the World Jewish Congress in Jerusalem recently:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Though I’m not sure about the possibility to achieve a “historic  agreement” given the circumstances on the Palestinian side, we must be  optimistic. At least the world will see that it is not the Israeli  government that is the one that is not willing to talk and is not ready  to deliver.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And what are the &#8220;<em>circumstances on the Palestinian side&#8221;? </em> They are still the refusal to recognise Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people, they are its continuing demonisation of, not just Israel, but Jews; they are insistence and a &#8216;Right of Return&#8217; which neither exists or is practicable; the demand for a return to the 1949 armistice lines and the division of Jerusalem.</p>
<p>In other words, whilst Palestinians still dream of the end of the Jewish state, if not now or next year, at some point in the future, Israelis are willing to make painful concessions to achieve a lasting peace. Or at least to achieve two states recognising the rights of others to self-determination.</p>
<p>It is difficult to see any such agreement when Hamas see any deal with Israel as treason, whilst Hizbullah and Iran still call for Israel&#8217;s destruction and Fatah itself remains ambiguous despite its protestations.</p>
<p>We can only hope or pray or work for peace and truth and justice for everyone in the region. An Israel at peace could give so much to the region if only they were willing to accept it. If Israel&#8217;s enemies would embrace peace and not war, life not death, the world could be transformed.</p>
<p>In the words of Binyamin Netanyahu &#8220;Shalom, salaam, peace&#8221;.</p>
<p>Shana tova.</p>
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		<title>In praise of Israel &#8211; Qatar Tribune</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[How did this one slip through? Although it has been noted that it does not appear in the Arabic version, this article by David Brooks, first published in the New York Times, appeared recently in the Qatar Tribune&#8217;s English language website: The Israeli Identity Tel Aviv’s economic leap will widen the gap between it and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="float: left; margin-right: 5px;"><a href="http://view.picapp.com/pictures.photo/news/einstein-general-theory/image/8210986?term=israel+university" target="_blank"><img title="Einstein's General Theory Of Relativity On Show In Israel" onmousedown="return false;" src="http://view3.picapp.com/pictures.photo/image/8210986/einstein-general-theory/einstein-general-theory.jpg?size=234&amp;imageId=8210986" border="0" alt="JERUSALEM - MARCH 09: A detail from Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity which is on display in its entirety for the first time, at the Israeli Academy of Sciences and Humanities on March 9, 2010 in Jerusalem, Israel. Einstein donated the complete original forty-six page handwritten manuscript of his ground-breaking theory to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem during its inauguration in 1925. (Photo by David Silverman/Getty Images)" width="234" height="156" /></a></div>
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<p>How did this one slip through? Although it has been noted that it does not appear in the Arabic version, this article by David Brooks, first published in the New York Times, <a href="http://www.qatar-tribune.com/data/20100113/content.asp?section=Opinion1_1" target="_blank">appeared recently</a> in the Qatar Tribune&#8217;s English language website:</p>
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<h2>The Israeli Identity</h2>
<p>Tel Aviv’s economic leap will widen the gap between it and its neighbours</p>
<p>DAVID BROOKS | NYT NEWS SERVICE</p>
<p>JEWS are a famously accomplished group.</p>
<p>They make up 0.2 percent of the world population, but 54 percent of the world chess champions, 27 percent of the</p>
<p>Nobel physics laureates and 31 percent of the medicine laureates.</p>
<p>Jews make up 2 percent of the US population, but 21 percent of the Ivy League student bodies, 26 percent of the Kennedy</p>
<p>Center honorees, 37 percent of the Academy Award-winning directors, 38 percent of those on a recent Business Week list of leading philanthropists, 51 percent of the Pulitzer Prize winners for nonfiction.</p>
<p>In his book, The Golden Age of Jewish Achievement, Steven L Pease lists some of the explanations people have given for this record of achievement.</p>
<p>The Jewish faith encourages a belief in progress and personal accountability.</p>
<p>It is learning-based, not rite-based.</p>
<p>Most Jews gave up or were forced to give up farming in the Middle Ages; their descendents have been living off of their wits ever since.</p>
<p>They have often migrated, with a migrant’s ambition and drive.</p>
<p>They have congregated around global crossroads and have benefited from the creative tension endemic in such places.</p>
<p>No single explanation can account for the record of Jewish achievement.</p>
<p>The odd thing is that Israel has not traditionally been strongest where the Jews in the Diaspora were strongest.</p>
<p>Instead of research and commerce, Israelis were forced to devote their energies to fighting and politics.</p>
<p>Milton Friedman used to joke that Israel disproved every Jewish stereotype.</p>
<p>People used to think Jews were good cooks, good economic managers and bad soldiers; Israel proved them wrong.</p>
<p>But that has changed.</p>
<p>Benjamin Netanyahu’s economic reforms, the arrival of a million Russian immigrants and the stagnation of the peace process have produced a historic shift.</p>
<p>The most resourceful Israelis are going into technology and commerce, not politics.</p>
<p>This has had a desultory effect on the nation’s public life, but an invigorating one on its economy.</p>
<p>Tel Aviv has become one of the world’s foremost entrepreneurial hot spots.</p>
<p>Israel has more high-tech start-ups per capita than any other nation on earth, by far.</p>
<p>It leads the world in civilian research-and development spending per capita.</p>
<p>It ranks second behind the US in the number of companies listed on the Nasdaq.</p>
<p>Israel, with seven million people, attracts as much venture capital as France and Germany combined.</p>
<p>As Dan Senor and Saul Singer write in Start-Up Nation: The Story of Israel’s Economic Miracle, Israel now has a classic innovation cluster, a place where tech obsessives work in close proximity and feed off each other’s ideas.</p>
<p>Because of the strength of the economy, Israel has weathered the global recession reasonably well.</p>
<p>The government did not have to bail out its banks or set off an explosion in short-term spending.</p>
<p>Instead, it used the crisis to solidify the economy’s long-term future by investing in research and development and infrastructure, raising some consumption taxes, promising to cut other taxes in the medium to long term.</p>
<p>Analysts at Barclays write that Israel is “the strongest recovery story” in Europe, the Middle East and Africa.<br />
Israel’s technological success is the fruition of the Zionist dream.</p>
<p>The country was not founded so stray settlers could sit among thousands of angry Palestinians in Hebron.</p>
<p>It was founded so Jews would have a safe place to come together and create things for the world.</p>
<p>This shift in the Israeli identity has long-term implications.</p>
<p>Netanyahu preaches the optimistic view: that Israel will become the Hong Kong of the Middle East, with economic benefits spilling over into the Arab world.</p>
<p>And, in fact, there are strands of evidence to support that view in places like the West Bank and Jordan.</p>
<p>But it’s more likely that Israel’s economic leap forward will widen the gap between it and its neighbours.</p>
<p>All the countries in the region talk about encouraging innovation.</p>
<p>Some oil-rich states spend billions trying to build science centres.</p>
<p>But places like Silicon Valley and Tel Aviv are created by a confluence of cultural forces, not money.</p>
<p>The surrounding nations do not have the tradition of free intellectual exchange and technical creativity.</p>
<p>For example, between 1980 and 2000, Egyptians registered 77 patents in the US Saudis registered 171.</p>
<p>Israelis registered 7,652.</p>
<p>The tech boom also creates a new vulnerability.</p>
<p>As Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic has argued, these innovators are the most mobile people on earth.</p>
<p>To destroy Israel’s economy, Iran doesn’t actually have to lob a nuclear weapon into the country.</p>
<p>It just has to foment enough instability so the entrepreneurs decide they had better move to Palo Alto, where many of them already have contacts and homes.</p>
<p>American Jews used to keep a foothold in Israel in case things got bad here.</p>
<p>Now Israelis keep a foothold in the US.</p>
<p>During a decade of grim foreboding, Israel has become an astonishing success story, but also a highly mobile one.</p></blockquote>
<p>One little quibble: Jewish achievement and Israeli achievement appear to morph into a single identity. Not all Israelis are Jews and not all Jews are Israelis. And why &#8216;Tel Aviv&#8217;s economic leap&#8217;? Surely &#8216;Israel&#8217;s&#8217;.</p>
<p>Maybe the Qatari English language editor is a covert philosemite.</p>
<p>Let the comments on how terrible Israel is and how it couldn&#8217;t do it without American tax dollars start rolling in.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend recently sent me this quote from Newt Gingrich, former United States Speaker (Republican) of the House of Representatives (and I quote in full): There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia . The time for double standards that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="float: left; margin-right: 5px;"><a href="http://view.picapp.com/pictures.photo/news/the-site-the-proposed/image/9606208?term=ground+zero+mosque" target="_blank"><img title="The site of the proposed Muslim Community Center and Mosque in New York" onmousedown="return false;" src="http://view1.picapp.com/pictures.photo/image/9606208/the-site-the-proposed/the-site-the-proposed.jpg?size=234&amp;imageId=9606208" border="0" alt="Pedestrians walk by sign holding supporters and opposers who stand outside the site of the proposed Muslim Community Center and Mosque two blocks from Ground Zero at 51 Park Place in New York on August 25, 2010.  UPI/John Angelillo Photo via Newscom" width="234" height="146" /></a></div>
<p><script src="http://view.picapp.com//JavaScripts/OTIjs.js" type="text/javascript"></script>A friend recently sent me this quote from Newt Gingrich, former United States Speaker (Republican) of the House of Representatives (and I quote in full):</p>
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<div id="_mcePaste"><em>There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia . The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.</em></div>
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<div id="_mcePaste"><em>The proposed &#8220;Cordoba House&#8221; overlooking the World Trade Center site – where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed one of our most famous landmarks &#8211; is a test of the timidity, passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example, most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately insulting term. It refers to Cordoba , Spain – the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by trans-forming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosque</em></div>
<div id="_mcePaste"><em>complex.</em></div>
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<div id="_mcePaste"><em>Today, some of the Mosque’s backers insist this term is being used to &#8220;symbolize interfaith cooperation&#8221; when, in fact, every Islamist in the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.</em></div>
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<div id="_mcePaste"><em>Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for &#8220;religious toleration&#8221; are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more than 100 mosques already exist in New York City . Meanwhile, there are no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia . In fact no Christian or Jew can even enter Mecca .  And they lecture us about tolerance.</em></div>
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<div><em>If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead such a campaign.</em></div>
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<div><em>We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years. Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history.</em></div>
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<div><em>Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba House refuse to reveal all their funding sources. America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive</em></div>
<div id="_mcePaste"><em>designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could. No mosque. No self deception. No surrender. The time to take a stand is now &#8211; at this site on this issue.</em></div>
<p><em>There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia . The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>The proposed &#8220;Cordoba House&#8221; overlooking the World Trade Center site – where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyedone of our most famous landmarks &#8211; is a test of the timidity, passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example, most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately insulting term. It refers to Cordoba , Spain – the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by trans-forming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosquecomplex.<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>Today, some of the Mosque’s backers insist this term is being used to &#8220;symbolize interfaith cooperation&#8221; when, in fact, every Islamist in the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for &#8220;religioustoleration&#8221; are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more than 100 mosques already exist in New York City . Meanwhile, there are no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia . In fact no Christian or Jew can even enter Mecca .  And they lecture us about tolerance.<br />
If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead such a campaign.<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years. Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history.<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba House refuse to reveal all their funding sources. America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could. No mosque. No self deception. No surrender. The time to take a stand is now &#8211; at this site on this issue.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I referred my friend to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51" target="_blank">Wikipedia artcle</a> which is, at least, balanced.</p>
<p>About a week ago I wrote to MEMRI because they had posted a <a href="http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2588.htm" target="_blank">video</a> under the title &#8220;Feisal Abdul Rauf, Imam of Planned Ground Zero Mosque: One of Our Goals Is to Make People Understand What Islam Is&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is what I wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em>I am a big fan of MEMRI but I’m not sure about this latest video of the Imam of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque.</em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em>I thought MEMRI was about revealing the truth. So why do you call a cultural center with a prayer room 2 blocks from GZ a Ground Zero Mosque in your title? This is a distortion.</em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em>I did not see a single objectionable thing in the Al Jazeera interview. I perceive no secret motives or malign intent. As far as I know, the use of the building as a Cultural Center is legal. What’s the wider context you are trying to show, here?</em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em>Please explain the ‘message’ behind your placing this on your website.</em></p>
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<p>Back came the reply:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="width: 500px;"><span><em>Dear Mr. Cook,</em></span></span></p>
<p><em>Thank  you for your message. Regarding the Al-Jazeera interview, we certainly  did not claim that there was anything objectionable stated in it. We  translated it because it&#8217;s a media topic of much current interest. We  follow the interest of the media, and do not seek particularly  objectionable or commendable content. Indeed, there is nothing  objectionable there, so on this we are in agreement.</em></p>
<p><em>As to the  name &#8220;Ground Zero Mosque,&#8221; this is also the common name in much of the  mainstream media. We can change it to &#8220;Islamic center close to Ground  Zero,&#8221; but what we would not want to do it to close our eyes to its  proximity to Ground Zero, strengthened by the fact that the initiators  reject the very idea of moving it from that place, nor do we ignore the  title that Imam Abdul-Rauf chose for the Indonesian version of his book,  which is &#8220;A Call of Azan from the Rubble of the World Trade Center:  Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America after 9/11.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em> </em><em>So on this, I guess, we disagree. I&#8217;m sorry for that.</em></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="width: 500px;"><span>In other words, they DID see something sinister or else why would they publish? Did Imam Abdul-Rauf choose the title for the Indonesian version of his book? And is it that sinister? Maybe if you are suspicious about the motives of Abdul-Rauf you can spin this as a triumphalist title.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;">My reply:</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="width: 500px;"><span><span style="width: 500px;"><span><em>Thanks for the reply. That is interesting. I&#8217;ll check out the Imam&#8217;s book as I wanted to know the context of the </em><span class="hl"><em>MEMRI</em></span><em> video and you have shown that. I am still unsure about the Islamic  Center and I don’t know whether 2 blocks is near or whether 3 blocks is  also near.</em></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><em>I still don&#8217;t like perpetuating the GZ Mosque title  just because the MSM are freaking out about a non-existent mosque  doesn’t mean that you have to go along with it.</em></p>
<p><em>So on this occasion we do disagree, sadly.</em></p>
<p><em> </em><em>Thanks for all the work you do.</em></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="width: 500px;"><span>But then, a little later this arrived from MEMRI:</span></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="width: 500px;"><span><span style="width: 500px;"><span><em>Thank you.</em></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="width: 500px;"><span><span style="width: 500px;"><span><em>By the way, the AP just  today issued a directive to its staffers to avoid the phrase &#8220;Ground  Zero Mosque,&#8221; and to instead say &#8220;near&#8221; it. This is what I also thought,  after reading your email.</em></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><em> </em><em>So we will follow the AP&#8217;s lead on this.</em></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="width: 500px;"><span><span style="width: 500px;"><span>This is the new title for the video: &#8220;Feisal Abdul Rauf, Imam of Planned <strong>Islamic Center</strong> <strong>Near Ground Zero</strong>: One of Our Goals Is to Make People Understand What Islam Is&#8221; (my emphasis).</span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="width: 500px;"><span><span style="width: 500px;"><span>I commended them for changing the title to a more honest one.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="width: 500px;"><span><span style="width: 500px;"><span>I have replied to my friend who sent me the Newt Gingrich quote and I repeat it here with a little editing:</span></span></span></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="width: 500px;"><span style="width: 500px;"> </span></span><em> In the matter of the Córdoba Center, I’m yet to decide. But I am not American, not a New Yorker, no-one I know was killed in 9/11.</em></p>
<p><em>Do I have any right to comment? Not sure.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>I recently complained to MEMRI that a video of the Imam on their site included the name &#8216;Ground Zero Mosque&#8217; even though it is not at GZ and is not a mosque. They subsequently changed the headline to say ‘Cultural Center NEAR Ground Zero.</em></p>
<p><em>If we don’t like misleading headlines about Jews and Israel then why should we tolerate them when they are designed to mislead about other faiths and groups.</em></p>
<p><em>An interesting question to ask yourself is: ‘How far from GZ would a ‘mosque’ be acceptable?</em></p>
<p><em>Another is ‘should the United States be making decisions based on a comparison to Saudi Arabia?’</em></p>
<p><em>Also, ‘how many Muslims are there in Lower Manhattan?’ Why do they need such a large building? Is this s symbol of Muslim tolerance or supremacism?</em></p>
<p><em>What laws are there to prevent this building from being constructed?</em></p>
<p><em>What law would have to be enacted to stop it? Would that law be in breach of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights?</em></p>
<p><em>So, how far do Western Democracies, the inheritors of the Enlightenment and over 200 years of the development of civil liberties, personal freedom, the freedom of the Press, free speech, freedom of worship etc. have to compromise these hard-won rights in order to protect those same rights from a religion which does not recognise any of them and, ultimately, believes in overturning them and replacing them with a mediaeval Caliphate?</em></p>
<p><em>By using Draconian measures to stop these perceived threats, do we damage the ability of Islam to reform itself and modernise and make it even more subject to fundamentalist ideology?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So I very definitely do not know what the answer is to this controversy, but I do know that listening to very Conservative Americans is not necessarily going to provide a balanced view.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of months ago I decided to start posting on the Jewish Chronicle (JC) Blogs. I didn&#8217;t realise what I was about to discover; what I did discover was something of a revelation. I don&#8217;t just post articles, I participate in the discussions which arise out of the majority of posts. When I first [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/IMG_3279.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-1494" title="IMG_3279" src="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/IMG_3279-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>A couple of months ago I decided to start posting on the Jewish Chronicle (JC) Blogs.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realise what I was about to discover; what I did discover was something of a revelation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t just post articles, I participate in the discussions which arise out of the majority of posts.</p>
<p>When I first arrived I landed in the middle of what I call the Blog Wars. Despite this being the JC, the blogs are open to anyone provided that they stick to some obvious rules. The blogs and their comments are moderated and it is not unknown for comments to be removed or even for bloggers or commenters to be banned.</p>
<p>What most surprised me was that I soon found there are two main camps: pro-Israel/Zionist and anti-Israel/Zionist. There are also one or two neutrals.</p>
<p>Almost every blog post can be the catalyst for some right old ding-dongs between these two camps. It&#8217;s a sort of Jewish version of the Guardian&#8217;s CiF (Comment is Free).</p>
<p>I actually found this very interesting, not only could I see how the &#8216;other side&#8217; thinks, I could also challenge them,  be challenged by them, argue with them, but never, of course, persuade them. This is an excellent training and test ground to hone your own arguments, to make sure of your facts and sharpen your own polemics.</p>
<p>It is also, at least for me, as a bit of an old lefty, an opportunity to question your own views and convictions in the light of the counter arguments. But, I can honestly say, this self-examination has not fundamentally changed my views, but it has reinforced my commitment to balance and to avoid dogmatism.</p>
<p>Both sides in these Blog Wars tend to be unyielding, entrenched and assured of their own righteousness. Little quarter is given. Israel is rarely criticised by the Zios and the anti-Zios will continue to sympathise with Hamas and Hizbollah.</p>
<p>By far the most revealing of the anti-Zios is a certain representative of Jews for Justice for Palestinians (JfjfP). I am not going to name names here; go and read the blogs; it&#8217;s unfair to mention any individual here who is unlikely to respond in person and I&#8217;m not going to discuss or reproduce the comments that have appeared in the JC. I&#8217;ll simply summarise what these discussions &#8216;below the line&#8217; reveal.</p>
<p>The JfjfP representative is polite and seems to try very hard to be poised and restrained. JfjfP are part of the left wing bloc that organises demonstrations for Palestinians and Palestine and against Israel and Zionism.</p>
<p>This particular JfjfP member claims she is not anti-Israel and recognises Israel&#8217;s right to exist (well thanks).  She is, however, of the opinion that Israel is a colonialist experiment, that the Occupation is illegal and cruelly prosecuted, that Hamas are understandable freedom fighters, that it is Israel and Israel alone and its policies which are the cause of the conflict; if only Israel would seek peace, negotiate with Hamas and the PA, this peace would magically materialise and 100 years of strife would dissipate into thin air, no-one would attack Jews anymore and her ideal, presumably Marxist, certainly Socialist, state would rise, phoenix-like, from the ashes of Israel.</p>
<p>In other words, socialist ideology colours her opinion of Israel which is demonised in her mind to the extent that it can never be right, can never be lawful, because it is an illegitimate state in the first place. And because of this ideological blindness she, like so many others on the far left, be it George Galloway, Alexei Sayle, Tony Benn, Gerald Kaufman and, indeed, a number of post-Zionist Israelis who take the same stance, she is prepared to overlook the anti-Semitism, the homophobia, the misogyny, the Islamofascist death culture of Hamas and its fellow travellers; for her, their charters are just pieces of paper and they can be persuaded to make peace and forswear their previous acts and deeds and policies and bigotry.</p>
<p>Thus the far left supports representatives of the most dangerous, religio-political movement of our times: fundamentalist Islam. They do this in the name of their own socialist vision of the world and history.</p>
<p>The level of self-delusion, double-think and self-deception involved in this world view is astonishing and frightening. It is anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-Enlightenment and it makes a pact with the real devil by demonising an imperfect state &#8211; Israel.</p>
<p>I am not saying that we Zionists and pro-Israel supporters never take an &#8216;Israel can do no wrong&#8217; position. It does happen and it happens more when Israel is under mortal threat. What room is there for any self-criticism when your opponents are relentless in theirs. Yet I can never ever find the &#8216;other side&#8217; critical of the Palestinians and their supporters. It&#8217;s as if they are perfect, blameless, beyond criticism because if they do anything wrong the Zionists forced them to do it. At the same time, I do find a very lively debate in the Israeli press and the Jewish World.</p>
<p>There is a big difference between fair criticism and an agenda of demonisation and delegitimisation.</p>
<p>It is very sad indeed to encounter Jews who see history only through a socialist or Marxist prism, even if it means contributing to the efforts of those who would destroy Israel and kill all Jews and, therefore, the very Jews who now support them.</p>
<p>I wonder why some Jews who claim to uphold true Jewish values through sympathy and justice for Palestinians must also simultaneously join in with the chorus of the demonisers of their own people.</p>
<p>Why do they have to create a soi-disant &#8216;Jewish&#8217; group?<br />
What is it that is so important for them about Jewish values that they have to group together as not-in-my-namers?<br />
What is Jewish about denying the right to Jewish self-determination?<br />
What is Jewish about sympathy, even tacitly, for those who would commit genocide of the Jews given half a chance.<br />
What is it that is Jewish about demonising fellow-Jews?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently reading Howard Jacobson&#8217;s latest novel, The Finkler Question, I found a very apt and devastating paragraph which amusingly describes Jews who give succour to their would-be destroyers. In the book there is a group not too dissimilar from JfjfP called ASHamed Jews:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>To be an ASHamed Jew did not require that you had been knowingly Jewish all your life. Indeed, one among them only found out he was Jewish at all in the course of making a television programme in which he was confronted on camera with </em>who he really was<em>. In the final frame of the film he was disclosed weeping before a memorial in Auschwitz to dead ancestors who until that moment he had never known he&#8217;d had. &#8216;It could explain where I get my comic genius from,&#8217; he told an interviewer for a newspaper, though by then he had renegotiated his new allegiance. Born a Jew on Monday, he had signed up to be an ASHamed Jew by Wednesday and was seen chanting &#8216;We are all Hezbollah&#8217; outside the Israeli Embassy on the following Sunday.*</em></p></blockquote>
<p>*Howard Jacobson<em>, The Finkler Question, </em>Bloomsbury 2010<em>, pp 138-9</em></p>
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		<title>On the wing and a prayer &#8211; Itay Shecheter scores for Hapoel Tel Aviv</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hapoel Tel Aviv player Itay Shecheter&#8217;s goal celebration seems to have upset the Portuguese referee. Having scored  after running almost from the half-way line, he produced a Hapoel kippa from inside his sock. Having donned said head-covering he proceeded to go down on his knees, cover his eyes and appeared to offer a prayer to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hapoel Tel Aviv player Itay Shecheter&#8217;s goal celebration seems to have upset the Portuguese referee.</p>
<p>Having scored  after running almost from the half-way line, he produced a Hapoel kippa from inside his sock.</p>
<p>Having donned said head-covering he proceeded to go down on his knees, cover his eyes and appeared to offer a prayer to the Almighty.</p>
<p>Why was he booked? Here&#8217;s the YouTube video of this event:</p>
<p><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="640" height="385" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="src" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NoRvkx6dRr0?fs=1&amp;hl=en_GB" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="640" height="385" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NoRvkx6dRr0?fs=1&amp;hl=en_GB" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object></p>
<p>The manager said that when Christian players cross themselves when they score no-one makes a fuss. Muslim player also seem to acknowledge Allah.</p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s some FIFA rule about wearing items of clothing or something. Maybe he thought he was advertising.</p>
<p>Maybe he was just advertising his religion.</p>
<p>Salzburg slaughtered by Shecheter*!</p>
<p>*if you don&#8217;t get this joke, check a Yiddish dictionary.</p>
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		<title>BBC &#8211; well it couldn&#8217;t last</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hurray for Panorama!! Boo!! to Paul Wood, BBC News reporting on Eden Aberjil&#8217;s disgusting Facebook images of her posing with Palestinian prisoners. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10997011) Here&#8217;s why: A great many young Israeli soldiers have photograph albums quite similar to Eden Aberjil&#8217;s &#8216;The army: the best days of my life&#8217;. The only difference is that they do not [...]]]></description>
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<p>Hurray for Panorama!!</p>
<p>Boo!! to Paul Wood, BBC News reporting on Eden Aberjil&#8217;s disgusting Facebook images of her posing with Palestinian prisoners.</p>
<p>(<a title="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10997011" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10997011">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10997011</a>)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why:</p>
<blockquote><p><cite>A great many young Israeli soldiers have photograph albums quite similar to Eden Aberjil&#8217;s &#8216;The army: the best days of my life&#8217;.</cite></p>
<p><cite>The only difference is that they do not post them on Facebook.</cite></p>
<p><cite>That explains her remark that she still did not &#8220;understand  what was wrong&#8221; and the comment of Dr Ishai Menuchin of the Committee  Against Torture in Israel that &#8220;she is a bad apple, but all the box are  bad apples&#8221;.</cite></p>
<p><cite>The IDF likes to think of itself as the most ethical army in  the world and so condemned the photographs in strident terms. (They are  also no fools when it comes to public relations).</cite></p>
<p><cite>For most young conscripts, and young Israelis who have  completed their military service, I suspect the reaction will not be  outrage but a simple shrug of the shoulders.</cite></p></blockquote>
<p>Ouch!!</p>
<p>&#8220;No fools when it comes to public relations!? you gotta be kidding.  But suppose they didn&#8217;t condemn it? Can&#8217;t win if you are an Israeli.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see some of the UK soldiers&#8217; picture albums.</p>
<p>Of course Dr Ishai Menuchim is a totally dispassionate observer. Where&#8217;s  the evidence for all these sweeping statements? Did they do a survey?</p>
<p>&#8220;I suspect&#8221;, he says. I suspect that you are an extremely bad journalist, but at least I now have evidence to prove it.</p>
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		<title>Move along the bus &#8211; Israeli style</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a little story I was told this shabbat which in a small but significant says a lot about the morality of Israelis. This person was on a bus where passengers were entering through the front and back doors. The people at the back could not reach the driver to pay their fare as it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="float: left; margin-right: 5px;"><a href="http://view.picapp.com/pictures.photo/news/israeli-elelction-campaign/image/3839656?term=israel+bus" target="_blank"><img title="Israeli Elelction Campaign Enters Final Week" onmousedown="return false;" src="http://view.picapp.com/pictures.photo/image/3839656/israeli-elelction-campaign/israeli-elelction-campaign.jpg?size=234&amp;imageId=3839656" border="0" alt="JERUSALEM - FEBRUARY 3:  A campaign poster for opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu is seen on a city bus February 3, 2009 in Jerusalem. With one week to go before general elections, opinion polls show Netanyahu's right-wing Likud party leading over both Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni's Kadima party and Defence Minister Ehud Barak's Labour.  (Photo by David Silverman/Getty Images)" width="234" height="156" /></a></div>
<p><script src="http://view.picapp.com//JavaScripts/OTIjs.js" type="text/javascript"></script>Here&#8217;s a little story I was told this shabbat which in a small but significant says a lot about the morality of Israelis.</p>
<p>This person was on a bus where passengers were entering through the front and back doors. The people at the back could not reach the driver to pay their fare as it was so crowded. As a result, those at the back passed their fare money down the bus, hand to hand until it reached the driver. The driver then passed back the tickets and the change along the same route.</p>
<p>A lone, very English voice could be heard to say, &#8220;You would never see this in England. Only in Israel&#8221;.</p>
<p>This scrupulous morality and honesty, although, of course not universal in Israel is, nevertheless, the norm. It comes from a shared national project, Jewish ethics, and a sense that everyone in this small nation is part of the Israeli family. And when you come as a tourist, then you too are, for a few days or weeks, part of that family.</p>
<p>The bus example, for me, shows the real face of the majority of Israelis; honest, generous, welcoming, and at their best where a community spirit and teamwork is required.</p>
<p>Without this spirit there would be no Israel.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[British Prime Minister, David Cameron, has completely lost it. He is campaigning for Turkey&#8217;s entry into the European Union and thus for placing a growing Islamist country, that has strong ties with the enemies of the West, at the heart of Europe. All this might have been acceptable in the past when Turkey was recognised [...]]]></description>
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<p>British Prime Minister, David Cameron, has completely lost it. He is campaigning for Turkey&#8217;s entry into the European Union and thus for placing a growing Islamist country, that has strong ties with the enemies of the West, at the heart of Europe.</p>
<p>All this might have been acceptable in the past when Turkey was recognised as a secular Muslim country sitting between the West and the Islamic world, a democracy with a mixed Western and Eastern culture and an honest broker between the West and Islam.</p>
<p>But Cameron seems to have overlooked completely Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Islamist program.</p>
<p>At the same time that he shows little understanding of the threat posed to Europe by the regime of Erdogan, he attacks in an unwarranted, ill-informed and just plain ignorant way the EU&#8217;s only real friend in the Middle East, and its only democracy, Israel, by declaring Gaza to be a &#8216;Prison Camp&#8217;.</p>
<p>His speech in Turkey mirrored President Obama&#8217;s in Cairo with its cringing agenda of appeasement instead of confronting Turkey with the manifold reasons as to not only why it should currently be shunned by the EU but also suspended from NATO, as <a href="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/index.php/2010/06/08/dear-secretary-general-of-nato-i-want-to-talk-to-you-about-turkey/" target="_blank">I wrote earlier</a> this year after the Turkish flotilla incident.</p>
<p>As the <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10767768" target="_blank">BBC </a>reports:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Mr Cameron said he wanted to &#8220;pave the road&#8221; for Turkey to join the EU.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe this road should be called the Islamic fundamentalist highway.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;When I think about what Turkey has done to defend Europe as a Nato  ally, and what Turkey is doing today in Afghanistan, alongside our  European allies, it makes me angry that your progress towards EU  membership can be frustrated in the way it has been.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, the old Turkey, the secular Muslim state with democratic values, not THIS Turkey.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;So we need Turkey&#8217;s help now in making it clear to Iran just how  serious we are about engaging fully with the international community,&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Cameron recognises that Erdogan has the ear of Iran&#8217;s president Ahmadinejad, but for what purpose?</p>
<p>What has happened to the secular, democratic, Muslim state created by Kemal Attaturk and so lauded for decades as a blueprint of what a modern Islamic nation should look like, (despite many issues of human rights)?</p>
<p>A <a href="http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&amp;LNGID=1&amp;TMID=111&amp;FID=858&amp;PID=0&amp;IID=1871" target="_blank">telling analysis</a> by Andre Mozes reveals:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Before entering Turkish national politics, Erdogan served as Istanbul&#8217;s  mayor. In this colorful city&#8230; one learns to speak the languages of all; of moderate Muslims,  of cosmopolitan and of Islamist Turks alike.  Erdogan learned them well,  but in his deeds he always belonged to the third group.  In earlier  Turkish elections fundamentalist Islamic parties were banned, according  to the secular laws and tradition of Turkey, preserved successfully  since Ataturk turned Turkey from a backward Muslim monarchy, into a  progressive secular modern nation.</em></p>
<p><em>In the elections of 2002, however, Erdogan&#8217;s Islamic party succeeded in  changing its appearance - including by its beautiful name: Justice and  Development Party (AKP) -  sufficiently to circumvent the ban. They won a  convincing election victory, primarily in the less developed rural  regions, where most votes were controlled by the local imams.  The army &#8211;  the traditional watchdog of Ataturk&#8217;s legacy &#8211; decided, after difficult  arguments only, not to veto the election results, and so Recep Erdogan  came to power.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Mr Cameron appears blissfully unaware of this history; the erosion of Attaturk&#8217;s values by craft and deceit.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>While praising Turkey&#8217;s secular and democratic traditions, Mr Cameron  stressed that Turkey must continue to push forward &#8220;aggressively&#8221; with  economic and political reform to maintain momentum towards EU  membership.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The only thing that Erdogan is aggressively pursuing is an alliance with radical left-wing regimes (Chavez in Venezuela), Islamists (Ahmadinejad in Iran) and dictators (Assad in Syria).</p>
<p>As the Guardian* reported in October last year with the headline &#8220;&#8216;Iran is our friend&#8217;, says Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Erdogan&#8217;s partiality towards Ahmadinejad may surprise some in the  west who see Turkey as a western-oriented democracy firmly grounded  inside Nato. It has been a member of the alliance since 1952. It will be  less surprising to Erdogan&#8217;s secular domestic critics, who believe the  prime minister&#8217;s heart lies in the east and have long suspected his  Islamist-rooted Justice and Development party (AKP) government of  plotting to transform Turkey into a religious state resembling Iran.</em></p>
<p><em>Erdogan  vigorously denies the latter charge, but to his critics he and  Ahmadinejad are birds of a feather: devout religious conservatives from  humble backgrounds who court popular support by talking the language of  the street.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But all this came to a head in May with the infamous Freedom Flotilla incident in which the Israeli navy intercepted a flotilla attempting to break the blockade of the Gaza Strip, and, when boarding the lead ship, &#8216;Mavi Marmara&#8217;, were attacked. In the ensuing melee 9 &#8216;activists&#8217; were killed. An outraged Erdogan condemned Israel, demanded an apology, threatened to break relations, demanded a UN enquiry and made huge political capital of the incident.</p>
<p>This led to Erdogan&#8217;s being lionised across the Islamic world; Israel&#8217; s best friend in the Near East, and the only Muslim country which had good relations with Israel, was distancing itself from the Zionists. The dictators and the terror groups were jubilant. Erdogan&#8217;s star was in the ascendant in the Muslim world. He appeared to be bidding for leadership of that same world. But some believed he was over-reaching. Had he revealed his Islamist hand too soon?</p>
<p>It was only a little later that the facts came to light about the nature of the IHH, which organised the Freedom Flotilla, a humanitarian organisation with links to terror, including Al Qaeda.</p>
<p>A decidedly anti-Western and virulently anti-Israeli group took over the Mavi Marmara and announced that their aim was to reach Gaza or to die as martyrs. They then meticulously prepared a  reception for the Israeli commandos who rappelled on to the ship&#8217;s decks to be met by lethal force. Subsequent Israeli investigations have revealed that all but one of the fatalities had &#8216;form&#8217; which linked them to Hamas and Islamic terror groups. The IHH is an organisation formerly recognised and supported by the Turkish government. This links Erdogan&#8217;s regime indirectly to anti-Western, and that includes anti-European groups. But nice Mr Cameron doesn&#8217;t see that. All he can muster is, and I repeat:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Turkey must continue to push forward &#8220;aggressively&#8221; with economic and political reform</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Mr Cameron has thus joined the legions of the politically blind. Blind to the fundamentalist threat which he responds to with:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Those who wilfully misunderstand Islam, they see no difference between  real Islam and the distorted version of the extremists. They think the  problem is Islam itself. And they think the values of Islam can just  never be compatible with the values of other religions, societies or  cultures.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But it is Erdogan who is cavorting with these extremists and who is leading his country down the same path.</p>
<p>The Italians certainly know what the IHH is all about as MP Fiamma Nirenstein is seeking to outlaw the group in the very EU that Mr Cameron wants Turkey to join:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Dear friends,</em></p>
<p><em> I just presented a parliamentary question to the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs requiring to evaluate the possibility to insert the Turkish organization IHH (&#8220;Insani Yardim Vafki&#8221;), one of the main promoters of the Mavi Marmara and responsible for its violent implications, in the list of terrorist organizations of the European Union.</em></p>
<p><em>Several investigations and reports testify the involvement of IHH in global terrorism and many videos and documents attest its jihadist attitude finalized at &#8220;martyrdom in the name of Allah”. Because of its connection to Hamas and the &#8220;Union of Good&#8221; (an Islamic umbrella organization affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood that was put in the US&#8217; terror list in 2008), Germany has recently banned IHH and in the USA, a bipartisan group of Senators appealed to President Obama with a request to enter the IHH in the US’ list of terrorist organizations.</em></p>
<p><em>You can read below the entire interrogation.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And here&#8217;s the link <a href="http://fiammanirenstein.com/articoli.asp?Categoria=5&amp;Id=2412" target="_blank">http://fiammanirenstein.com/articoli.asp?Categoria=5&amp;Id=2412</a></p>
<p>Is this the group we want a member country of the EU to be supporting, Mr Cameron?</p>
<p>But it is on the situation in Gaza that Cameron was at his egregious worst.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Humanitarian goods and people must flow in both directions. Gaza can  not and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp,&#8221; he said.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>As Stephen Pollard of the Jewish Chronicle amusingly <a href="http://thejc.com/blogpost/humanitarian-goods" target="_blank">points out</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>What exactly are the humanitarian goods that will flow from Gaza to Israel and Egypt?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Will Cameron lobby President Mubarak of Egypt to open the Rafah crossing?</p>
<p>What humanitarian aid is NOT getting into Gaza?</p>
<p>All humanitarian aid has always been allowed through into Gaza; only the Egyptians have actually blocked aid both from Viva Palestina and, more recently, Jordan.</p>
<p>And Gaza doesn&#8217;t need humanitarian aid any more. The shops are full. What it needs is rebuilding and jobs. But what is holding it back is the Islamist, anti-Semitic, Hamas regime which Erdogan actually supports. On the 6th April this year Mr Erdogan declared that Hamas is not a terrorist group. Mr Cameron should remember that the EU has designated Hamas a terrorist organisation. So why does Mr Cameron want to support a country which condones terror?</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177496" target="_blank">Jerusalem Post</a> reported Erdogan as saying:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“I do not think that Hamas is a terrorist organization. &#8230; They are Palestinians in resistance, fighting for  their own land.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And that &#8216;land&#8217; is, of course Israel which Hamas wants to call Palestine, from the river to the sea.</p>
<p>Is this Mr Cameron&#8217;s idea of the type of leader Europe, and particularly Mr Cameron, should be embracing?</p>
<blockquote><p><em>In his  address Friday, he said the Ten Commandments should have deterred the  soldiers from killing the nine passengers who died on board the ship.  “If you do not understand it in Turkish I will say it in English: You  shall not kill,” he reportedly said &#8211; repeating the phrase in Hebrew.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But Mr Erdogan&#8217;s forces kill Kurds almost daily in <em>their </em>fight for their own independent state. On June 20th 2010 the <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10359237" target="_blank">BBC reported</a> :</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Turkey has vowed to fight Kurdish rebels until they are &#8220;annihilated&#8221;, after attacks killed 11 soldiers.</em></p>
<p><em>PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday&#8217;s &#8220;cowardly&#8221; assaults  would not end Turkey&#8217;s determination to fight the Kurdish Workers&#8217; Party  (PKK) &#8220;to the end&#8221;.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Is this the sort of hypocrite that Mr Cameron wants to fast-track into Europe? Imagine if Israel said this about Hamas.</p>
<p>Cameron seems to be stuck with the idea that Erdogan is an important link between Europe and the Islamic world, so he conveniently glosses over the Kurds, Northern Cyprus &#8211; which Turkey has occupied and populated with its nationals against International Law since 1974; he conveniently glides effortlessly over Erdogan&#8217;s support for Hamas and, therefore, implicitly, the destruction of Israel.</p>
<p>Is this the Turkey which, as Mr Cameron says, is &#8220;vital for our economy, vital for our security and vital for our diplomacy&#8221;?</p>
<p>Mr Cameron&#8217;s characterisation of Gaza as a prison-camp uses the overblown rhetoric of Israel&#8217;s enemies not because Cameron believes it, but because it is politic and &#8216;even-handed&#8217; just to throw it in there as a sop to his audience. He also forgets that the only real prisoner in Gaza is kidnapped soldier, Gilad Shalit, who has been in captivity, without access to the Red Cross, for four years, contrary to the Geneva Convention and the laws of conflict.</p>
<p>He is therefore willing to lie and twist the truth for diplomatic reasons. He really believes that risking an Islamist state in Europe, as well as NATO, is good for the UK&#8217;s, the EU&#8217;s and the West&#8217;s security. He really believes that giving Israel a good kicking will, Obama-like, make the Islamic countries see him as fair and rush towards his outstretched hand?</p>
<p>They must be be rolling about in uncontrollable glee and laughter.</p>
<p>How is it that Conservative Cameron has caught the Obama appeasement bug without realising it. Too much kissy-kissy in the White House, perhaps.</p>
<p>Like the previous government, Cameron is strong on diplomacy and weak on statesmanship; like those who have gone before him he is prepared to be Abraham to Israel&#8217;s Isaac and hope that someone shows up with a ram before he has to do the dirty deed.</p>
<p>And what of the euro-sceptics in the Conservative Party? Indeed, what of Cameron&#8217;s own scepticism on Europe? The same David Cameron who wants a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Why should his party europhobes agree to an expansion of the EU they wish to dismantle?</p>
<p>Or is this Con-Dem Frankenstein&#8217;s monster of a government just lurching about calling out &#8220;Friend, friend&#8221; in the desperate hope it can find one, even if he&#8217;s an Islamist in a sharp suit with an even sharper knife tucked behind his back?</p>
<p>*http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/26/turkey-iran1</p>
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		<title>First Israeli Arab female paratrooper</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The State of Israel has begun its own blog. It will run a &#8216;Faces of the IDF&#8217; feature. First up is Corporal Eleanor Joseph, or Elinor Yosef, a female Arab Israeli from near Haifa who is following in the boot-steps of her father. She strikes a very winsome pose on the website. But behind the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/elinorjosefS_cropped_big-400x265.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1391" title="elinorjosefS_cropped_big-400x265" src="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/elinorjosefS_cropped_big-400x265-300x198.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="198" /></a>The State of Israel has begun its own blog.</p>
<p>It will run a &#8216;Faces of the IDF&#8217; feature.</p>
<p>First up is Corporal <a href="http://www.israelpolitik.org/2010/07/23/faces-of-the-idf-israels-first-female-arab-israeli-fighter/#more-1977" target="_blank">Eleanor Joseph</a>, or Elinor Yosef, a female Arab Israeli from near Haifa who is following in the boot-steps of her father. She strikes a very winsome pose on the website. But behind the obvious PR exercise of having attractive Arabs serving in the IDF, (she also happens to be Christian) lie some contradictions and issues of being an Arab in a Jewish state.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://clickit3.ort.org.il/Apps/WW/page.aspx?ws=5f2f7cb2-6f25-4d71-83b2-06c1ca5ae51b&amp;page=cca081f8-81de-4bce-bfea-d922cd488919&amp;fol=cb7b1441-5ab0-4003-bde8-07e9ba1e4097&amp;box=e3cd8ed4-2051-4510-aa3f-00f0649e6733&amp;_pstate=item&amp;_item=da987991-c677-4cf8-9b18-0a4b3a6c418f" target="_blank">eye2israel</a> website tells us:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Eleanor  Joseph is a true Israeli Patriot, she sings the Israeli national anthem  Hatikvah, and feels proud and excited to see the Israeli flag  fluttering in the wind &#8211; &#8220;it&#8217;s always windy during military ceremonies,&#8221;  she says with a smile. &#8220;I don&#8217;t have any other country&#8221; is a line from  the well known Israeli song written by one of the most esteemed poets,  Ehud Manor and is also Eleanor&#8217;s motto. This line was written for her by  her commander and she keeps it in her pocketbook – it&#8217;s always with  her. Eleanor doesn&#8217;t have any other country; she is a true and a proud  Arab Christian Israeli.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But  <a href="http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/07/first-female-arab-combat-soldier-in-idf.html" target="_blank">ElderofZiyon </a>reveals that:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/07/26/114857.html"><em>Al Arabiya</em></a><em> has a lengthy and flabbergasted Arabic article on Jozef. When asked if she would kill Arabs if necessary, she answered that she would hardly be the first Arab to kill other Arabs.</em></p>
<p><em> </em><em>She also said that while she doesn&#8217;t celebrate Yom Ha&#8217;atzmaut, she doesn&#8217;t sit and cry either.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there a contradiction between singing HaTikvah which speaks of the hope of 2000 years that Jews return to Zion and yet not celebrating Israeli Independence.  Logically, it should be the other way round, no?</p>
<p>Such are the contradictions and issues of loyalty or nationhood if you are an Arab Israeli.  The sub-text of &#8220;<em>I don&#8217;t have any other country&#8221; </em>is, surely, one of resignation and making the best of it. This further implies that she doesn&#8217;t feel that, ultimately, this is her country or at least, her choice of country.</p>
<p>Or maybe it&#8217;s just that her enthusiasm for Israel and the IDF has to be tempered in the context of her ethnicity and the history of Israel with its contradictory narratives of expulsion and redemption.</p>
<p>But compare with the UK. Muslims serving in Afghanistan are proud to be British and serving their country whilst some of their co-religionists consider them to be sell-out pariahs.</p>
<p>Is there really much difference?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope Elinor is the first of many Israeli-Arab women to show their pride in their country by serving as paratroopers.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this month the Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) published a report of their &#8216;initial&#8217; findings from an &#8216;Israel Survey&#8217; they carried out this year. The headline summary of British Jewish attitudes to Israel was &#8216;Committed, concerned and conciliatory&#8217;. I&#8217;d like to explore if the findings really matched the conclusions and also add some [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/uk-israel-flag.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1354" title="uk-israel-flag" src="http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/uk-israel-flag.jpg" alt="" width="250" height="75" /></a>Earlier this month the Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) published a report of their &#8216;initial&#8217; findings from an &#8216;Israel Survey&#8217; they carried out this year.</p>
<p>The headline summary of British Jewish attitudes to Israel was &#8216;Committed, concerned and conciliatory&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to explore if the findings really matched the conclusions and also add some comments as to how this reflects my own views and experiences, or not, as the case may be..</p>
<p>Firstly, let&#8217;s see what the JPR says about itself:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) is a London-based independent Jewish research institute. It aims to advance the prospects of Jewish communities in Britain and across Europe by conducting research and developing policy in partnership with those best placed to influence Jewish life.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what &#8216;advance the prospects&#8217; means. I take it to mean that this group, supported by the <a href="http://www.pearsfoundation.org.uk/work.html" target="_blank">Pears Foundation</a>, wants to influence the &#8216;policy&#8217; of those who are influential in Jewish life in Britain.  In this context, I take it that they want to assist in helping the development of policy vis-a-vis Israel.</p>
<p>The survey, therefore, is meant to provide communal leaders and organisations with data on their own constituency.</p>
<p>Looking at the Pears Foundation website, it would appear that &#8216;Committed, concerned and conciliatory&#8217; could be their own mission statement when it comes to Israel.</p>
<p>The Pears Foundation also supports the New Israel Fund which has been the subject of much controversy recently. The NIF was accused by NGO monitor (which is an Israeli NGO itself), of being anti-Zionist. There were other accusations of supporting Palestinian-Arab groups which deny Israel&#8217;s legitimacy. This year, Im Tirtzu which is a Zionist student organisation, accused the NIF of collaboration with the UN&#8217;s Goldstone report on Operation Cast Lead and providing it with the ammunition with which to attack Israel. It was all a bit messy.</p>
<p>This is the provenance of this report. I would point out that Pears and NIF are both heavily involved in the advancing the welfare and economic status of Israeli Arabs. This is a laudable and commendable mission but it is fraught with the dangers of Israeli and Palestinian political entanglement. It is probably unavoidable that the objects of charitable causes in Israel can be, in turn, targetted by Palestinian and, indeed, Israeli political groups whose agenda is not charitable but to attack or even delegitimise the state.</p>
<p>Given this provenance we must tread carefully and see whether there is any political interpretation of the data. After all, the expressed aim of JPR is to develop policy, and policy is the offspring of politics.</p>
<p>First point is that the <a href="http://www.jpr.org.uk/downloads/JPR%20Israel%20survey%20report%2015.pdf" target="_self">pdf document</a> is annoyingly a 2-column format which makes it very difficult to read in a browser.</p>
<p>Are the data truly representative of the Jewish community? As the report authors say in the Introduction:</p>
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<div id="_mcePaste"><em>Short of an official census which all members of a population are required to complete, no sample survey can provide a perfect representation of the target population. That is particularly the case when sampling the Jewish community, because members of the population cannot be identified by a list, or accessed by any form of random process. Further, in a survey such as this, which was carried out on-line, and where respondents are self-selected, there is additional potential for bias in the data.</em></div>
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<p>There were 4,081 responses. There is no way of telling that all these respondents were actually Jewish or even British. 4,000 represents something like 1.5% of Britain&#8217;s Jewish population, but a significantly higher proportion of its adult population, perhaps 4-5% or 1 in 20/25. This is a remarkable sample. If you were to have an online survey directed at the UK population, the same percentage would return 3-400,000 responses from the adult population, if my maths are correct.</p>
<p>Yet it remains the fact that respondents, including myself are a) Internet savvy, b) are aware of the survey and c) want to respond.</p>
<p>It would be a fair assumption that those responding want to express their views and those who don&#8217;t are uncommitted or have no strong desire to contribute to the data and the story they tell.</p>
<p>The Executive Summary is broken down into a number of headings.</p>
<p><strong>Deep ties and strong commitments</strong></p>
<p>This is borne out by the data. An overwhelming majority believe that Israel is central to their identity, is their ancestral homeland, believe themselves to be Zionists and believe they have a &#8216;responsibility to support Israel&#8217; and that Jews are &#8216;responsible for ensuring the survival of Israel&#8217;.</p>
<p>So,  British Jews still overwhelmingly cleave to a Jewish identity anchored in the soil of Israel. This also confirms Jews affinity with other Jews (as we say every New Month, <em>chaverim kol Yisra&#8217;el</em> &#8211; all the people of Israel are one brotherhood) and adds up to a national identification as a Jewish People.</p>
<p><strong>Dovish stance on key policy issues</strong></p>
<p>The data clearly show that British Jews are in favour of a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict and do not wish to see any further expansion of settlements.</p>
<p>The next statistic, however, is worrying: 52% believe that Israel should negotiate with Hamas. Only 39% do not.</p>
<p>This is worrying because it means that 52% of correspondents actually believe that Hamas would ever negotiate with Israel. Hamas have repeatedly rejected any such negotiations. Israel will not talk to them until they forswear their genocidal policy against Jews and Israel.  Clearly the Jewish public in Britain are not informed about the nature of Hamas. I&#8217;m sure there &#8216;vote&#8217; is for the best intentions, but there is a clear lack of understanding of the nature of Hamas and perhaps some confusion.</p>
<p><strong>Clear support on security issues but with some reservations</strong></p>
<p>This section dealt with Israel&#8217;s control of the West Bank (Judea/Samaria), the Security Barrier, the Gaza War and Iran. Again, the respondents generally appear to adhere to a progressive Zionist view of Israel&#8217;s &#8216;occupation&#8217; of the West Bank. They feel it is a necessary evil whilst there is a threat but are prepared to cede land for peace. Only 48% of professed Zionists saw Israel as an occupying power.</p>
<p>The definition of Israel&#8217;s position on the West Bank is a complex historical issue. If Israel is occupying the West Bank, which country is being occupied? Palestine has never existed even though the West Bank is land earmarked as a future separate state in the 2-state solution. The land is termed &#8216;disputed&#8217; by those who don&#8217;t like &#8216;occupied&#8217;, but the religious Right see it simply as Israeli/Jewish land by right.  But it matters little; the main thrust of the response is that British Jews are willing to cede most of this land for peace and to create a viable Palestinian state.</p>
<p>Most (72%) supported Cast Lead , the Gaza War in 2008-9 (even though, as mentioned above, 52% want to negotiate with Hamas. Again, negotiate what? The destruction of Israel?) and the same number also support the Security Barrier as vital.</p>
<p>The response on Iran as representing a threat to Israel gained a massive 87% agreement. Jews have learned by bitter experience that anyone who calls for the destruction of Jews should be taken seriously.</p>
<p><strong>Some mixed feelings about the state of Israeli society</strong></p>
<p>The main concerns were corruption in Israeli political life, the influence of Orthodox Judaism (the Haredim) and a lesser concern, but still a majority, about discrimination against minorities in both the Jewish and non-Jewish community. This too shows a what could be termed a somewhat left-leaning view of Israel and is completely commensurate with British Jews growing up in and identifying with the values of British society and desiring those same values are observed in Israel.</p>
<p>Corruption in the UK parliament with the expenses scandal may affect their views on accusations of corruption against former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman. But more likely is a desire to avoid the embarrassment of Jewish leaders facing criminal charges.</p>
<p>Concern for minorities is also a natural and commendable expression of British mainstream multi-culturalism but also, and perhaps even more so in this context, an expression of Jewish moral values and a belief that Israel, though a state of the Jewish people, can accommodate non-Jews and a varied ethnic mix in a cohesive society. Jewish charities have historically concentrated their efforts on Jews in Israel. As Israel has become more affluent this is shifting slightly toward assisting with integration of non-European ethnicities and improving the lot of Arabs.  The data reflect these concerns.</p>
<p>20% of correspondents do not believe democracy is &#8216;alive and well in Israel&#8217;. I would hazard a guess that these 20% are either hard Left or concerned with corruption, the vagaries of the Israeli voting and multi-party system and the situation in the &#8216;territories&#8217;. Maybe democracy is alive but has a bit of a temperature would be more apt. But at least it is a democracy.</p>
<p><strong>Some divergence of opinion on the will for peace</strong></p>
<p>Confusion on who wants peace. Only 59% thought Israel was less responsible for the failure of the peace process and only 47% believed the Palestinians want peace. As we cannot know what Palestinians really want we can only go by their actions. 60 years of rejectionism and the failure of Fatah/PLO/PA to accept a Jewish state should have convinced more people that Israel has always been willing to make sacrifices for peace and the Palestinians offer rockets and intifadas in return.</p>
<p>Apparently this view is not at all universal in the Jewish community and I suspect the reason is an exasperation with the Netanyahu government and the antics of Lieberman.</p>
<p><strong>Israel is prominent in the daily lives of Jews in Britain</strong></p>
<p>This was really interesting.76% believe Israel is relevant to their lives but most of these do not feel a conflict of interest with loyalty to Britain. This is wholly commensurate with a population that has roots over 4 or more generations in Britain and still feels gratitude to Britain for absorbing their grandparents and great grandparents fleeing from Russisan pogroms over 100 years ago. I know I do. This loyalty is even reflected in the prayer for the Royal Family recited in synagogues every shabbat.</p>
<p>About a quarter feel uncomfortable living here because of events in Israel. This is mainly due I would suspect, to anti-Israel demonstrations and the rise in anti-Semitic incidents every time Israel is pilloried in the press for defending itself. For me this is not a permanent state of being. But I felt considerable wariness walking to synagogue during Cast lead and after the Mavi Marmara incident with a vague feeling that I was a potential target for the rage of some sections of British society who make no distinction between Jews and Israelis.</p>
<p>This feeling was an almost atavistic sense of impending pogrom and even guilt, even though I supported Israel&#8217;s actions, I was the perennial Jew, the outsider, the enemy within braced for the abuse of a passing motorist or a missile lobbed from across the road. These fears were not realised, but the feeling they could have been was fuelled by anti-Israel sentiment in the news and media. And or me, anti-Israel always means anti-Jew on the streets of Britain.</p>
<p>The survey showed why I have these feelings:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>• Almost a quarter (23%) of the sample had witnessed some form of antisemitic </em><em>incident in the previous  year. Of these, over half (56%) believe that the incident </em><em>was ‘probably’ or ‘definitely’ related to the abuser/assailant’s views on Israel.</em></p>
<p><em>• More than one in ten respondents (11%) said they had been subjected to a </em><em>verbal antisemitic insult or attack in the 12 months leading up to the survey. </em><em>Over half of the victims (56%) believe that the incident was ‘probably’ or </em><em>‘definitely’ related to the abuser/assailant’s views on Israel.</em></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Division of opinion on the right to speak out</strong></p>
<p>Again,a surprise for me. Only 35% said Jews should always feel free to criticise Israel in the British media. As many as 25% said this was never justified.</p>
<p>Although I can sympathise with a reluctance to criticise when there are more than enough non-Jews around who are more than willing to do so, I think it is false loyalty not to speak up when you feel Israel is wrong. The problem is, as I&#8217;ve said before, that when so much of the so-called debate is so shrill and vicious, it is not easy to add your reasonable voice to a cacophony of vituperative polemic which is neither reasoned or reasonable.</p>
<p>However, just because the general debate is malign should not deter a Jew or a supporter of Israel from expressing reservations or criticism. The attempts to demonise Israel cannot be used as an excuse for moral cowardice if you feel Israel is wrong.</p>
<p>The survey came up with another , for me, unfortunate statistic: 45% do not believe Jews in Britain have a right to criticise Israel because we don&#8217;t live there. This is crazy. I don&#8217;t live in Iran but I have a right, in this country at least, to criticise it. Jews have a long history of not wishing to &#8216;rock the boat&#8217;, to put up the shutters and retreat behind a communal defensive wall where any criticism of Israel is disloyal. This is an absurdity in the 21st century.</p>
<p>If Israeli democracy cannot take external criticism or if Jews feel pangs of disloyalty as critical diaspora Jews then the relationship between the diaspora and Israel will lose an important linkage. However, this line of thought can lead to J-Street whose &#8216;pro-Israel&#8217; criticism hides a more pernicious agenda which is decidedly anti-Zionist. Nevertheless, we live in free societies and the antidote to anti-Zionism and anti-Israel sentiments, from Jews or anyone else, is confidence to express support and valid criticism and to confront invalid criticism or views inimical to the best interests of Israel.</p>
<p><strong>Religiosity and educational attainment</strong></p>
<p>The final summary section simply states that the more religious, the more hawkish, the better educated, the more dovish. What about well educated &#8216;frummers&#8217;?</p>
<p>Education may lead to dovishness because it exposes the individual to views not encountered within closed communities and, as Ayaan Hirsi Ali has explained in her latest book :</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The European Enlightenment of the eighteenth century gave birth to schools and universities run on the principles of critical thinking&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em> (</em>Nomad<em>, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, pp xviii and xix, published by Simon and Shuster, 2010)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The critical thinkers are more likely to reject religious certainty for nuanced rationalism and so be able to see both  sides of an argument. This leads to greater toleration of opposing views and the willingness to find compromises.</p>
<p><strong>In Summary</strong></p>
<p>The survey is fascinating but, unless you are a BBC reporter, there are no real surprises.</p>
<p>Jews generally support Israel, and sometimes uncritically.</p>
<p>Jews care about Palestinians but only if Israeli security can be assured.</p>
<p>British Jews support democracy, compassion and moral behaviour, but they also believe that, in face of existential threats, Israel has a right to defend itself robustly.</p>
<p>British Jews want peace and reconciliation, a plural democratic Israel respecting all faiths and ethnicities.</p>
<p>British Jews&#8217; bond with Israel is strong and affectionate as is their loyalty to Britain.</p>
<p>Hence,  &#8216;Committed, concerned and conciliatory&#8217; appears to be a correct conclusion.</p>
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