{"id":1763,"date":"2010-11-04T19:05:51","date_gmt":"2010-11-04T18:05:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.raymondcook.net\/blog\/?p=1763"},"modified":"2010-11-09T13:35:11","modified_gmt":"2010-11-09T12:35:11","slug":"gabriel-arch-but-no-angel-how-a-cambridge-student-defended-israel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.raymondcook.net\/blog\/index.php\/2010\/11\/04\/gabriel-arch-but-no-angel-how-a-cambridge-student-defended-israel\/","title":{"rendered":"Gabriel &#8211; arch, but no angel. How a Cambridge student defended Israel"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"tweet_button132\" style=\"float: right; margin-left: 10px;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/share\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\"twitter-share-button\" data-url=\"https:\/\/www.raymondcook.net\/blog\/index.php\/2010\/11\/04\/gabriel-arch-but-no-angel-how-a-cambridge-student-defended-israel\/\" data-text=\"Gabriel - arch, but no angel. How a Cambridge student defended Israel - Ray Cook - As I See It\" data-count=\"horizontal\" data-lang=\"en\" data-via=\"tweetbutton\"  data-related=\"coderplus:Wordpress Tips and more.\"><\/a><\/div><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.raymondcook.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/cambridgeunion.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1768\" title=\"cambridgeunion\" src=\"http:\/\/www.raymondcook.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/cambridgeunion-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raymondcook.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/cambridgeunion-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.raymondcook.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/cambridgeunion.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>The Cambridge Union recently hosted a debate with the motion: &#8216;This House Believes Israel Is A Rogue State&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>For the motion were Lauren Booth, journalist, neo-convert to Islam and well-know Hamas supporter and Israel basher, and a certain Gabriel Latner, 19 year old law student at Peterhouse.<\/p>\n<p>University debating societies are famous for inviting controversy; holocaust sceptic (I have to use that word or he might sue me if I use &#8216;denier&#8217;) &#8216;David Irving and BNP leader Nick Griffin have both been invited to to speak at the Oxford Union, for example.<\/p>\n<p>This debate, however, had no controversial figures (I don&#8217;t consider Ms Booth as controversial as these worthies). It&#8217;s the motion itself which was provocative. As <a href=\"http:\/\/www.http:\/\/daphneanson.blogspot.com\/2010\/11\/for-israels-cause-and-hasbara-it-was.html\" target=\"_blank\">Daphne Anson<\/a> has written:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Grotesquely too, it is not Iran that the Cambridge Union chose to characterise as a \u201crogue&#8221; nation for the purposes of a debate on 21 October \u2013 it was Israel. You notice I say \u201cgrotesquely\u201d and not \u201camazingly\u201d, for these days there\u2019s nothing remotely amazing about Israel being hauled up in the dock of public opinion. Conning the world through years of inexorable, mendacious leftwing and Islamist propaganda has achieved the desired consequence, though not as yet the intended denouement.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What was quite remarkable was that Mr Latner managed a rather clever Varsity trick by arguing that Israel was a &#8216;rogue state&#8217; in favour of the motion whilst clearly being in strong support of Israel.<\/p>\n<p>The motion was easily defeated.<\/p>\n<p>The text of his speech has been posted in many places and I reproduce it below unedited.<\/p>\n<p>The only blot on Latner&#8217;s copybook was a remark to Ms Booth as reported by Daphne Anson:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>The President of the Union had Latner escorted off the premises and banned for life following a complaint from Lauren Booth that before rising to speak he\u2019d told her: \u201cI am going to nail you to the fucking wall up there.\u201d Not that Latner is too perturbed. He told the student newspaper <\/em><em>Varsity<\/em><em> that he has no doubt that he offended Ms Booth, but doesn\u2019t know whether it was his remark to her or the fact that he \u201cactually nailed her to the wall\u201d in his speech that offended her, adding \u201c I can guess though\u201d. As for the ban, it was a \u201crash\u201d decision of the President but \u201cisn\u2019t going to drastically change my life\u201d.\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.varsity.co.uk\/news\/2689\/\">http:\/\/www.varsity.co.uk\/news\/2689\/<\/a><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, Canadian Gabriel is no angel, that&#8217;s for sure and maybe we can put this down to youthful exuberance. For a successful forensic career he needs to mind his language in future.<\/p>\n<p>But well done to Latner for playing the Union at its own pesky games and turning Queen&#8217;s evidence, you might say.<\/p>\n<p>But Latner is no poster boy for Zionism. On the <a href=\"http:\/\/mondoweiss.net\/2010\/10\/more-about-tricksterdebatercanadian-gabriel-latner-19.html\" target=\"_blank\">Mondweiss<\/a> website he says:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>My personal beliefs on &#8216;Zionism&#8217; are fairly simple: I believe Israel has  a right to exist, and to secure itself. I believe the Palestinians,  Tibetans, Taiwanese, Kurds, and every other stateless population has the  right to a homeland. I think that the last 150 years of conflict in the  Middle East (let alone the last four or five millennia) is far too  complicated for anyone but a scholar to understand. I think there is  enough blame to go around. Israel is wrong when it permits settlements  to be built. I think it made a mistake when it kept the Gaza Strip after  &#8217;67. I was happy when Israel pulled out of the occupied territories.  Then again, I am constantly afraid for my friends in family living  there. Israel does face a serious threat. But I think every time Israel  overreacts, new extremists are born. So yes, I could be considered a  &#8216;Zionist&#8217;, but I think that term has been hijacked to a degree. Im  pro-Israel, pro-Palestinian, and pro-Peace. In my opinion, the biggest  threat to peace is politicians \u2013 in both camps, not to mention Jordan,  Egypt, Lebanon, and the West.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Others have commented that Jewish students should not engage at all in such debates. Doing so legitimises the demonisation of Israel, they say. This is certainly a view that is worth considering. After all, how many other countries have incessantly to argue the validity of their own existence or their level of roguishness.<\/p>\n<p>I believe that such debates and such arguments have always to be opposed. We cannot leave the opposition to shoot into an open goal, as it were. If we believe that we should demonstrate, blog and write about the truth, then we should also oppose lies and falsehoods, bad history, bigotry, blind dogma and ignorance.<\/p>\n<p>Gabriel Latner&#8217;s defence of Israel as a rogue state:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This is a war of ideals, and the other speakers here tonight are  rightfully, idealists. I&#8217;m not. I&#8217;m a realist. I&#8217;m here to win. I have a  single goal this evening \u2013 to have at least a plurality of you walk out  of the &#8216;Aye&#8217; door. I face a singular challenge \u2013 most, if not all, of  you have already made up your minds.<\/p>\n<p>This issue is too polarizing for the vast majority of you not to already  have a set opinion. I&#8217;d be willing to bet that half of you strongly  support the motion, and half of you strongly oppose it. I want to win,  and we&#8217;re destined for a tie. I&#8217;m tempted to do what my fellow speakers  are going to do \u2013 simply rehash every bad thing the Israeli government  has ever done in an attempt to satisfy those of you who agree with them.  And perhaps they&#8217;ll even guilt one of you rare undecided into voting  for the proposition, or more accurately, against Israel. It would be so  easy to twist the meaning and significance of international &#8216;laws&#8217; to  make Israel look like a criminal state. But that&#8217;s been done to death.  It would be easier still to play to your sympathy, with personalised  stories of Palestinian suffering. And they can give very eloquent  speeches on those issues. But the truth is, that treating people badly,  whether they&#8217;re your citizens or an occupied nation, does not make a  state&#8217; rogue&#8217;. If it did, Canada, the US, and Australia would all be  rogue states based on how they treat their indigenous populations.  Britain&#8217;s treatment of the Irish would easily qualify them to wear this  sobriquet. These arguments, while emotionally satisfying, lack  intellectual rigour.<\/p>\n<p>More importantly, I just don&#8217;t think we can win with those arguments. It  won&#8217;t change the numbers. Half of you will agree with them, half of you  won&#8217;t. So I&#8217;m going to try something different, something a little  unorthodox. I&#8217;m going to try and convince the die-hard Zionists and  Israel supporters here tonight, <strong>to vote for the proposition<\/strong>. By  the end of my speech \u2013 I will have presented 5 pro-Israel arguments that  show Israel is, if not a &#8216;rogue state&#8217; than at least &#8216;rogueish&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p>Let me be clear. I will not be arguing that Israel is &#8216;bad&#8217;. I will not  be arguing that it doesn&#8217;t deserve to exist. I won&#8217;t be arguing that it  behaves worse than every other country. I will only be arguing that  Israel is &#8216;rogue&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p>The word &#8216;rogue&#8217; has come to have exceptionally damning connotations.  But the word itself is value-neutral. The OED defines rogue as  &#8216;Aberrant, anomalous; misplaced, occurring (esp. in isolation) at an  unexpected place or time &#8216;, while a dictionary from a far greater  institution gives this definition &#8216;behaving in ways that are not  expected or not normal, often in a destructive way &#8216;. These definitions,  and others, centre on the idea of anomaly \u2013 the unexpected or uncommon.  Using this definition, a rogue state is one that acts in an unexpected,  uncommon or aberrant manner. A state that behaves exactly like Israel.<\/p>\n<p>The first argument is statistical. The fact that Israel is a Jewish  state alone makes it anomalous enough to be dubbed a rogue state: There  are 195 countries in the world. Some are Christian, some Muslim, some  are secular. Israel is the only country in the world that is Jewish. Or,  to speak mathmo for a moment, the chance of any randomly chosen state  being Jewish is 0.0051% . In comparison the chance of a UK lotto ticket  winning at least \u00a310 is 0.017% &#8211; more than twice as likely. Israel&#8217;s  Jewishness is a statistical aberration.<\/p>\n<p>The second argument concerns Israel&#8217;s humanitarianism, in  particular,Israel&#8217;s response to a refugee crisis. Not the Palestinian  refugee crisis \u2013 for I am sure that the other speakers will cover that \u2013  but the issue of Darfurian refugees. Everyone knows that what happened,  and is still happening in Darfur, is genocide, whether or not the UN  and the Arab League will call it such. [I actually hoped that Mr Massih  would be able speak about this &#8211; he&#8217;s actually somewhat of an expert on  the Crisis in Darfur, in fact it&#8217;s his expertise that has called him  away to represent the former Dictator of Sudan while he is being  investigated by the ICC.] There has been a mass exodus from Darfur as  the oppressed seek safety. They have not had much luck. Many have gone  north to Egypt \u2013 where they are treated despicably. The brave make a run  through the desert in a bid to make it to Israel. Not only do they face  the natural threats of the Sinai, they are also used for target  practice by the Egyptian soldiers patrolling the border. Why would they  take the risk? Because in Israel they are treated with compassion \u2013 they  are treated as the refugees that they are \u2013 and perhaps Israel&#8217;s  cultural memory of genocide is to blame. The Israeli government has even  gone so far as to grant several hundred Darfurian refugees Citizenship.  This alone sets Israel apart from the rest of the world.<\/p>\n<p>But the real point of distinction is this: The IDF sends out soldiers  and medics to patrol the Egyptian border. They are sent looking for  refugees attempting to cross into Israel. Not to send them back into  Egypt, but to save them from dehydration, heat exhaustion, and Egyptian  bullets. Compare that to the US&#8217;s reaction to illegal immigration across  their border with Mexico. The American government has arrested private  individuals for giving water to border crossers who were dying of thirst  \u2013 and here the Israeli government is sending out its soldiers to save  illegal immigrants. To call that sort of behavior anomalous is an  understatement.<\/p>\n<p>My Third argument is that the Israeli government engages in an activity  which the rest of the world shuns &#8212; it negotiates with terrorists.  Forget the late PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat, a man who died with blood  all over his hands \u2013 they&#8217;re in the process of negotiating with  terrorists as we speak. Yasser Abed Rabbo is one of the lead PLO  negotiators that has been sent to the peace talks with Israel. Abed  Rabbo also used to be a leader of the PFLP- an organisation of &#8216;freedom  fighters&#8217; that, under Abed Rabbo&#8217;s leadership, engaged in such freedom  promoting activities as killing 22 Israeli high school students. And the  Israeli government is sending delegates to sit at a table with this  man, and talk about peace. And the world applauds. You would never see  the Spanish government in peace talks with the leaders of the ETA \u2013 the  British government would never negotiate with Thomas Murphy. And if  President Obama were to sit down and talk about peace with Osama Bin  Laden, the world would view this as insanity. But Israel can do the  exact same thing \u2013 and earn international praise in the process. That is  the dictionary definition of rogue \u2013 behaving in a way that is  unexpected, or not normal.<\/p>\n<p>Another part of dictionary definition is behaviour or activity &#8216;occuring  at an unexpected place or time&#8217;. When you compare Israel to its  regional neighbours, it becomes clear just how roguish Israel is. And  here is the fourth argument: Israel has a better human rights record  than any of its neighbours. At no point in history, has there ever been a  liberal democratic state in the Middle East- except for Israel. Of all  the countries in the Middle East, Israel is the only one where the LGBT  community enjoys even a small measure of equality. In Kuwait, Lebanon,  Oman, Qatar, and Syria, homosexual conduct is punishable by flogging,  imprisonment, or both. But homosexuals there get off pretty lightly  compared to their counterparts in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen, who are  put to death. Israeli homosexuals can adopt, openly serve in the army,  enter civil unions, and are protected by exceptionally strongly worded  ant-discrimination legislation. Beats a death sentence. In fact, it  beats America.<\/p>\n<p>Israel&#8217;s protection of its citizens&#8217; civil liberties has earned  international recognition. Freedom House is an NGO that releases an  annual report on democracy and civil liberties in each of the 195  countries in the world. It ranks each country as &#8216;Free&#8217; &#8216;Partly Free&#8217; or  &#8216;Not Free&#8217;. In the Middle East, Israel is the only country that has  earned designation as a &#8216;free&#8217; country. Not surprising given the level  of freedom afforded to citizens in say, Lebanon- a country designated  &#8216;partly free&#8217;, where there are laws against reporters criticizing not  only the Lebanese government, but the Syrian regime as well. [I&#8217;m hoping  Ms Booth will speak about this, given her experience working as a  &#8216;journalist&#8217; for Iran,] Iran is a country given the rating of &#8216;not  free&#8217;, putting it alongside China, Zimbabwe, North Korea, and Myanmar.  In Iran, [as Ms Booth I hoped would have said in her speech], there is a  special &#8216;Press Court&#8217; which prosecutes journalists for such heinous  offences as criticizing the ayatollah, reporting on stories damaging the  &#8216;foundations of the Islamic republic&#8217; , using &#8216;suspicious (i.e.  western) sources&#8217;, or insulting islam. Iran is the world leader in terms  of jailed journalists, with 39 reporters (that we know of) in prison as  of 2009. They also kicked out almost every Western journalist during  the 2009 election. [I don&#8217;t know if Ms Booth was affected by that] I  guess we can&#8217;t really expect more from a theocracy. Which is what most  countries in the Middle East are. Theocracies and Autocracies. But  Israel is the sole, the only, the rogue, democracy. Out of every country  in the Middle East, only in Israel do anti-government protests and  reporting go unquashed and uncensored.<\/p>\n<p>I have one final argument \u2013 the last nail in the opposition&#8217;s coffin-  and its sitting right across the aisle. Mr Ran Gidor&#8217;s presence here is  the all evidence any of us should need to confidently call Israel a  rogue state. For those of you who have never heard of him, Mr Gidor is a  political counsellor attached to Israel&#8217;s embassy in London. He&#8217;s the  guy the Israeli government sent to represent them to the UN. He knows  what he&#8217;s doing. And he&#8217;s here tonight. And it&#8217;s incredible. Consider,  for a moment, what his presence here means. The Israeli government has  signed off,to allow one of their senior diplomatic representatives to  participate in a debate on their very legitimacy. That&#8217;s remarkable. Do  you think for a minute, that any other country would do the same? If the  Yale University Debating Society were to have a debate where the motion  was &#8216;This house believes Britain is a racist, totalitarian state that  has done irrevocable harm to the peoples of the world&#8217;, that Britain  would allow any of its officials to participate? No. Would China  participate in a debate about the status of Taiwan? Never. And there is  no chance in hell that an American government official would ever be  permitted to argue in a debate concerning its treatment of prisoners at  Guantanamo Bay. But Israel has sent Mr Ran Gidor to argue tonight  against [a &#8216;journalist&#8217; come reality TV star, and myself,] a 19 year old  law student who is entirely unqualified to speak on the issue at hand.<\/p>\n<p>Every government in the world should be laughing at Israel right now-  because it forgot rule number one. You never add credence to crackpots  by engaging with them. It&#8217;s the same reason you won&#8217;t see Stephen  Hawking or Richard Dawkins debate David Icke. But Israel is doing  precisely that. Once again, behaving in a way that is unexpected, or not  normal. Behaving like a rogue state.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s five arguments that have been directed at the supporters of  Israel. But I have a minute or two left. And here&#8217;s an argument for all  of you \u2013 Israel willfully and forcefully disregards international law.  In 1981 Israel destroyed OSIRAK \u2013 Sadam Hussein&#8217;s nuclear bomb lab.  Every government in the world knew that Hussein was building a bomb. And  they did nothing. Except for Israel. Yes, in doing so they broke  international law and custom. But they also saved us all from a nuclear  Iraq. That rogue action should earn Israel a place of respect in the  eyes of all freedom loving peoples. But it hasn&#8217;t. But tonight, while  you listen to us prattle on, I want you to remember something; while  you&#8217;re here, Khomeini&#8217;s Iran is working towards the Bomb. And if you&#8217;re  honest with yourself, you know that Israel is the only country that can,  and will, do something about it. Israel will, out of necessity act in a  way that is the not the norm, and you&#8217;d better hope that they do it in a  destructive manner. Any sane person would rather a rogue Israel than a  Nuclear Iran. [Except Ms Booth]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"tweet_button132\" style=\"float: right; margin-left: 10px;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/share\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\"twitter-share-button\" data-url=\"https:\/\/www.raymondcook.net\/blog\/index.php\/2010\/11\/04\/gabriel-arch-but-no-angel-how-a-cambridge-student-defended-israel\/\" data-text=\"Gabriel - arch, but no angel. How a Cambridge student defended Israel - Ray Cook - As I See It\" data-count=\"horizontal\" data-lang=\"en\" data-via=\"tweetbutton\"  data-related=\"coderplus:Wordpress Tips and more.\"><\/a><\/div><p>The Cambridge Union recently hosted a debate with the motion: &#8216;This House Believes Israel Is A Rogue State&#8221;. For the motion were Lauren Booth, journalist, neo-convert to Islam and well-know Hamas supporter and Israel basher, and a certain Gabriel Latner, 19 year old law student at Peterhouse. 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